Chat Transcript Joined on 19. Januar 2009 at 18:26 --------------------- Moderator: hi guya --------------------- Moderator: guys --------------------- Moderator: --------------------- Luis Pedro: hi all --------------------- sharonbetts: Hello - I just checked and this starts in 1/2 an hour instead of now, right? --------------------- Carlos Santos: hi --------------------- Sigi: ooops... so many people.... --------------------- Me: Yes, thats right. We start in 30 minutes. --------------------- Moderator: yeap --------------------- Moderator: in 1/2 hour --------------------- sharonbetts: Ok - I'll be back - thanks --------------------- Luis Pedro: ok --------------------- Moderator: just setting up things around here --------------------- Sigi: Cristina, can I test my PPT? --------------------- Moderator: will turn into my real name soon LOL --------------------- Moderator: Hi Sigi --------------------- Moderator: yes sure --------------------- Sigi: yep, saw your pic --------------------- Moderator: let me just get my headset --------------------- Me: Could you give me moderation rights too, cristina? --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): can I talk please --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): not yet --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): will change settings --------------------- Me: you have to allow more than one speaker under audio --------------------- Me: thanx --------------------- GrahamAttwell: hi --------------------- Luis Pedro: A very warm Portuguese "Ol‡" to Cristina! --------------------- Steven Verjans: Sigi, desktop sharing is very slow for a large group --------------------- Me: Hi Graham! --------------------- Marcel Kirchner: Hello together! --------------------- GrahamAttwell: hi --------------------- Me: yes, sigi starts --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): Thomas you now have mods rights --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt): thanx --------------------- Dirk Stieglitz: HI all! --------------------- Marcel Kirchner: Welcome all together! --------------------- Marcel Kirchner: it works --------------------- Marcel Kirchner: --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): its nice when the tech works --------------------- Marcel Kirchner: yeah --------------------- Marcel Kirchner: hi --------------------- lindacq: Hello everybpdy!! --------------------- Carlos Santos: yes... it was Carlos --------------------- Luis Pedro: and Luis, from Aveiro --------------------- Luis Pedro: --------------------- lindacq: you are in midnight Cris! --------------------- lindacq: hehehe --------------------- lindacq: here is we have a bit of day --------------------- Marcel Kirchner: now i have seen sigi --------------------- Marcel Kirchner: i can see sigi now --------------------- Dirk Stieglitz: graham, dont say it roo early --------------------- Marcel Kirchner: great! --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt): Hi Dirk! --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): Should bbe OK --------------------- Maria: Hello from Portugal --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): doesnt use much bandwifth --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): Hi Dirk --------------------- Dirk Stieglitz: hi thomas! --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): Sounds good Sigi --------------------- Marcel Kirchner: it«s really a very interesting collaborative atmosphere!! --------------------- Dirk Stieglitz: hi cristina --------------------- Marcel Kirchner: it works very fine with the slides --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): --------------------- Steven Verjans: Sigi, can you try and see if your links are active? --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): cool slides --------------------- Marcel Kirchner: very good --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): love the pics --------------------- sigrun to Sigrid Engelmann-Santos: hallo frau santos, kann man nachtrŠglich von ISDN auf DSL wechseln? --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): love slides with pics...wonder why! LOL --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt) to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell: @will you start the recording? --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt) to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell: @Graham i mean --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to sigrun: Ich denke schon, man muss dann aber einen Router haben --------------------- Steven Verjans: There is a 'Notes'window --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to sigrun: das modem funktioniert da nicht --------------------- Steven Verjans: I have a button on the top --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): which button do you mean steven? --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): haev found it --------------------- Steven Verjans: I have a button in the top menu on the right hand side, next to the video button --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): never seen that before .. thanks Steven --------------------- Steven Verjans: UR welcome --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): nut seems to require import --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): thanks steven --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to sigrun: http://www.wer-weiss-was.de/theme40/article1593319.html --------------------- Steven Verjans: I can as a participant --------------------- Carlos Santos: click it --------------------- Steven Verjans: Yes, seems to be a shared notpad --------------------- Carlos Santos: or just write --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): nor me - cannotw rite in it --------------------- Luis Pedro: It works for me --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Hi all! --------------------- Maria: Only the participantes :-D --------------------- Dirk Stieglitz: i can write and paste into the "notes" windows --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): HI Andreas --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt): Hi Andreas! --------------------- Dirk Stieglitz: hi andreas --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Ohh! Lots of people here! Nice! --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Hi Dirk! --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to sigrun: http://www.traum-projekt.com/forum/65-hardware/11623-isdn-und-dsl-hardware-verbinden.html --------------------- Carlos Santos: try to click the white area and write --------------------- Dirk Stieglitz: type and than you can paste into ot too --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Hi Graham! Marcel! Sigi! and all the others! --------------------- Luis Pedro: Yes, in Macs works just fine --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): Hi Andreas! --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): Gruess Gott Andreas! --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): *g* --------------------- Carolyn McIntosh: Hi I am a midwifery educator in New Zealand --------------------- Carolyn McIntosh: It is 7am here --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): Hi carolyn --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): Oh taht is early --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Awesome! So you have summer! Its breezing cold in germany now! --------------------- Steven Verjans: Popping out to fetch a cup of tea before we start --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): Hi Carolyn --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Uhhhh our coffee is empty! --------------------- Carolyn McIntosh: I live in the south of NZ. You wouldn't really know it is summer just now --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): it's ice cold in the UK --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): It promises to snow --------------------- Carolyn McIntosh: is it snowing? --------------------- Luis Pedro: Raining in the north of Portugal --------------------- Luka: Good evening --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): Hi Luka --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Hi Luka! --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Hi Luis Pedro! --------------------- David Friedrich: good evening --------------------- Luis Pedro: Hi all! --------------------- sigrun to Sigrid Engelmann-Santos: hab leider sehr schlechtes bild und keinen guten ton. --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): Hallo alltogether --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt): Hi Rene! --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): Hello Rene --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): hallo Sigrid, schšn, dass du da bist! --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): Andreas, hast du deinen Fanclub dabei --------------------- rene scheppler: haallo zusammen --------------------- rene scheppler: nice wordle --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Just making a bit twitter noise! Forgive 4 all who are followers --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): Oh hallo Rene, schšn, dich jier so schnell zu sehne!!!!! --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Hey Greetings 2 FFM --------------------- rene scheppler: hallo sigi - besten dank nochmal fŸr den kommentar im blog --------------------- Kristina H: hello. greetings from luxembourg --------------------- anachorete: sorry info came verry late ;-( --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to sigrun: bei mir auch --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @anachorete! You are right in time! Nice to see you! --------------------- tomekwalasek: hi from Poland --------------------- Steven Verjans: Hi all. Greetings from Belgium --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Jeahhh sigi go! --------------------- Irmeli Aro: Hi from Finland --------------------- Mark van Harmelen to : hi --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Jeah Graham! --------------------- Carlos Santos: Hi from Portugal! --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): Theme of today: PLE«s and E-Portfolios - is this the future of education? --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): Hi all --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): great to see you here --------------------- DolorsCapdet: hi, Cristina --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): Graet to see peopel from so many countries --------------------- anachorete: luxembourg --------------------- Sasa Sirk: hi all --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Hi h1moodle! --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): welcome to all! --------------------- Luis Pedro: Hi all from Aveiro, Portugal --------------------- David Friedrich: --------------------- Jorgen Carstensen: Hi from Odense, Denmark --------------------- DolorsCapdet: Hi all fron Spain --------------------- Carolyn McIntosh: Hi from New Zealand --------------------- Fernando S: hi to all --------------------- Sasa Sirk: Hi from Slovenia --------------------- sigrun to Sigi: Hallo, ich bin dabei, werde aber al away angezeigt --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): hallo heinz, schšn dass du da bist --------------------- DolorsCapdet: Hi Fernando --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Hi 2 slovenia! --------------------- Lore Ress: Hello from Wšllstadt/Hessen/Germany --------------------- Mirjam: hello to our participants from Poland! --------------------- Mark van Harmelen to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: private chat is visible to moderators... --------------------- Sarah Stewart: hi everyone --------------------- Heinz: Hallo from the blackforest :-D --------------------- Sasa Sirk: Hi Andreas --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): hi sasa --------------------- Gabrielapfl to Lore Ress: Hallo Frau Re§, kurz reinschauen wollte ich wenigstens... --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): Hi ana --------------------- Ricardo Torres: hello from Spain --------------------- Sasa Sirk: Hi Cris wow, how many people --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): 50 so far --------------------- John Pallister: a teacher --------------------- Alliki: Hello from Estonia --------------------- Fernando S: Hi Dolors --------------------- Luka: What kind of teacher? --------------------- Lore Ress to Gabrielapfl: Hallo, schšn Sie zu sehen --------------------- Sue Wolff: teacher of faculty? --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): over 50 people already here!! --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): 20 teachers --------------------- Steven Verjans: Distance higher education (open university) --------------------- ana garcia: hi cristina --------------------- Luka: OK, that's me --------------------- Sarah Stewart: I am high ed leacturer which is still teacher --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): Go ahead! --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): Hi Sarah --------------------- Carolyn McIntosh: hi Sarah --------------------- lindacq to jsalinasi: Hola jesus!!! --------------------- Heinz: Shit no sound --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Heinz ! Clap Clap! :-9 --------------------- Sarah Stewart: Hello from New Zealand --------------------- Heinz: Hi Andreas, nice to me you --------------------- rene scheppler: totally agree --------------------- jsalinasi to lindacq: hola --------------------- Irmeli Aro: will these slides be available after this session? --------------------- Luka: hi rene, what's your blog url? --------------------- Steven Verjans: School - meaning secondary ed. higher ed? --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt): Hello Sarah! Greetz from Bremen, Germany --------------------- Kolle: Hi all --------------------- rene scheppler: hi lika. http://www.blog.initiatived21.de --------------------- Sasa Sirk: lol --------------------- Malinka Ivanova: Hello from Bulgaria! --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): --------------------- Luka: thanks rene --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): twitter rocks! Yay --------------------- Mirjam: Hi Tomek, nice to meet you here --------------------- Heinz: a little bit Werbung: http://mahara.org --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): not that i tweet a lot (LOL) --------------------- Sasa Sirk: love twitter - got me here now --------------------- tomekwalasek: Hi Mirjam --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt): Hi Lutz! --------------------- matt montagne: hey y'all --------------------- Steven Verjans: Same for me, Twitter reminded me of tonite --------------------- Sasa Sirk: yep --------------------- Luis Pedro: yes --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Jepp Sound is good! --------------------- Sue Wolff: sound's fine --------------------- Sasa Sirk: sound good --------------------- Luis Pedro: go ahead Sigi --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): sound is good --------------------- John Pallister: fine --------------------- Luka: sound's perfect --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): love that image - spread your wings and fly --------------------- Steven Verjans: sound is OK --------------------- rene scheppler: sound is fine --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): Hi John --------------------- Sue Wolff: don't need to slow down --------------------- Kristina H to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: sorry about that. got kicked out for some unforeseeable reason. --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): sorry about that Kris --------------------- Heinz: ich starte das Ding noch einmal neu --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa) to Kristina H: hope it doesnt happen again --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Cristiacost any hint 2 antisirk to recoonect to elluminate - she got kicked out? --------------------- Sarah Stewart: Same here: reminded about this session on twitter --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): she;s back Andreas --------------------- Kristina H to Cristina Costa: thanx cris. i hope so too. i'd love to stay here --------------------- Kristina H: yeah, i'm back, andreas. --------------------- Steven Verjans: @sigi, doen't bother us --------------------- matt montagne: hey andreas...thanks for tweet about this... --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa) to Kristina H: and we want you here too --------------------- sharonbetts: it is fine, Sigi - we can see okay --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Hi Kristina - nice having you back! --------------------- Sasa Sirk: it's ok, we can follow --------------------- Mirjam: application sharing consumes too much bandwith!!!!!!!! --------------------- Mirjam: let's hope for the best .... --------------------- Luka: well, let's see, I like experiments --------------------- tomekwalasek: Oh, I thought it is only me --------------------- rene scheppler: wow - cool feature --------------------- matt montagne: there is the desktop --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Ahhh a windows desktop on my macbook! --------------------- Kristina H: maybe it helps if you kill the video, mirjam --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: SIGI works good! --------------------- Sasa Sirk: see ppt --------------------- sharonbetts: It is coming for me - and I can hear --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Jes! --------------------- Luka: yeah, windows on mac... :-p --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): windows on a mac --------------------- rene scheppler: @andreas: me too --------------------- Jane Challinor: yes --------------------- sharonbetts: yes we can --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): its the first time i have ever had windows --------------------- Kristina H: it builds up slowly. bandwith is a bother. --------------------- lindacq: yes we can! --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Change! Word of the decade! --------------------- Sasa Sirk: yes --------------------- PatParslow: going up in the world Graham --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): let's try it Mirjam --------------------- Sasa Sirk: yes, desktop visible --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): @Pat --------------------- Luis Pedro: @sharonbetts & lindacq: very up-to-date words --------------------- Malinka Ivanova: everything is ok --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): we can only try - learning on the spot! --------------------- rene scheppler: my screen is too small to catch up with all the windows --------------------- lindacq: off course Obama's spirit! --------------------- sharonbetts: Teachers just do the same old thing in the US also --------------------- lindacq: hehe --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): indeed! --------------------- Frances Bell: @Mark VH - see you brought your doppelganger --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): Yes we can --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): I frances --------------------- Frances Bell: Hi Cris --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): Hi Frances I mean --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): --------------------- sharonbetts: Interesting for me to hear all the Obama references --------------------- Frances Bell: I Frances you Cris --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): Europe is marvelled with Obama - think I can say that - lots of expectations sharon ! --------------------- sharonbetts: Is this true world wide? --------------------- PatParslow: Ahh identity issues huh Frances/Cris --------------------- elmo: Hi Cristina --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Hi Frances! My great discussion partner --------------------- lindacq: people used to wait for instructions always --------------------- Frances Bell: Nein --------------------- sharonbetts: I would say Nein --------------------- matt montagne: students do tend to not like this form of learning, especially when they have been trained in the passive mode of education for so long --------------------- gast09 to sharonbetts: wait until tomorrow and have a look at twitter. --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): indeed Pat - didn't mean to steal France's ID --------------------- Luka: some guidance is neccessary though, don't you think so? --------------------- PatParslow: It is a problem Matt - they don't like having to think if they can avoid it --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Hi Matt! Great having you here! #earthcast09 --------------------- Luka: eh, this was a question --------------------- sharonbetts: @gast09 - if you tweet and want to follow use #inaug --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): indeed Matt - so much easy to sit back and get fed with info.It allows u to sleep in class --------------------- Sasa Sirk: agree with Pat Parslow --------------------- Steven Verjans: Question to Sigi: What type of school are you taling about? --------------------- Frances Bell: @Andreas @PatP -HI - been having CCK08 withdrawal symptoms --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): who hasnt done that - that is easy --------------------- Mark van Harmelen to Frances Bell: hello frances --------------------- matt montagne: @Pat...yep, that is my struggle...teachers are often surprised that when they give a podcast assignment or something like that, it blows up --------------------- PatParslow: Indeed Luka - some guidance is needed --------------------- lindacq: learning burocracy... is horrible, but is easier than think --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): Justs ay no --------------------- Tamim: sorry --------------------- Luka: Dudes, leave her desktop alone --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Tamim be brave! --------------------- Mirjam: ignore --------------------- Tamim: yes me --------------------- rene scheppler: well spoke: take it from the bottom by the teacher students. But you have to free them from curriculum standars --------------------- Mark van Harmelen: this space is full of hackers! --------------------- Tamim: just ignoe --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): Tamim is sorry for that --------------------- matt montagne: it is especially difficult for the teacher who takes the risk and then receives pushback from students --------------------- Tamim: yes i am sorry for that --------------------- sharonbetts: technology is always a little odd - your points are great --------------------- Sasa Sirk: good point - train teacher students --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): we forgive you Tamim --------------------- Tamim: i always click here and there --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: I think if you accidently click on the screen! --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): Love the cartoon --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: I like kindergardens with wifi! --------------------- tomekwalasek: great cartoon --------------------- Carlos Santos: i'm not so pessimist about students --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: but if students use all those tools in their everyday life why do they resist them so much in the classroom? --------------------- gast09 to sharonbetts: Cool I will do taht. Just followed! =) You can follow me @lgxxl just put a new image in action seconds ago. --------------------- sharonbetts: They like to play online games and do Facebook and MySpace --------------------- PatParslow: We got a class of 2nd year IT students to develop a first stage of a portfolio using cmpas - some found it great, others needed lots of support --------------------- Sasa Sirk: invades their personal space? --------------------- Luka: some of my students are web savvy, others are not --------------------- Carlos Santos: get a great context and they will love to learn --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): @Bruno: good question! --------------------- Luis Pedro: They sure know how to use those tools to amuse themselves --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): @bruno because they are not used and it means work --------------------- lindacq: If you can avoid the challenge to learn is easier... --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: I think the real issue is students don't consider these tools as viable learning tools --------------------- matt montagne: article about MIT shifting from lecture to more inquiry based learning: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/13/us/13physics.html?_r=2&ref=science --------------------- lindacq: learn is an effort, --------------------- sharonbetts: Yes @Carlos - change way of teaching and they will come --------------------- PatParslow: @Bruno I think it is the natural rebelling against authority 'thing' --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: it's hard to think of facebook as a work tool --------------------- matt montagne: hey, if it is happening in MIT, then it needs to start happening in K12 --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: true @PatParslow --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): but when they see how fun it is they love it - my own experience as teacher is that - but that is not part of students' habits/culture in learning in school --------------------- Sasa Sirk: @cris not necessarilly - sometimes they simply want that space for them - not for school --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @pat depends - some got the creative gene some still develop it! --------------------- Luis Pedro: not at all @Bruno --------------------- PatParslow: A lot of our HE students use Facebook to organise their studies because it keeps the lecturers at bay --------------------- sharonbetts: @Bruno - I use my Facebook page to communicate with students if they wish - a separate indenty --------------------- Luis Pedro: it's a matter of skill transfers --------------------- Luka: I personally think there's too much discussion in the chat right now. Would be nice to do this after her lecture. --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): formal learning is still about feeding info - not creating environments for co-construction of knowledge --------------------- sharonbetts: I really like Mahara - so nice Sigi mentioned it --------------------- tomekwalasek: What is Mahara? --------------------- lindacq: Mahara eportfolio platform --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): an e-portfolio-software --------------------- sharonbetts: http://mahara.org - ePortfolio platform --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @tomekwalasek ask heinz! He is an expert! --------------------- PatParslow: @sharonbetts could you tell your separate identity story at thisisme.reading.ac.uk for me please? need good examples of how people split their identities depending on the roles they are in --------------------- matt montagne: Here is my Mahara portfolio from the school I work at: http://moodle.castilleja.org/eportfolio/view/view.php?id=4 --------------------- rene scheppler: students are often very focused on the teacher because of the grades. That is the main point that don't let them cooperate freely --------------------- matt montagne: we installed Mahara with single sign on with our moodle in Sept... --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): 66 participants already --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @rene but iamgine it is embedded into the daily learning culture? --------------------- sharonbetts: @PatParslow I will try to remember to post there after this is over --------------------- Carolyn McIntosh: how do you have an open source portfolio in Mahara? --------------------- Carolyn McIntosh: I thought it was closed --------------------- elmo: hi Cristina --------------------- PatParslow: @rene we gave them an assessment where they have to build a portfolio to get the marks... seems to be working --------------------- PatParslow: @sharon thanks --------------------- matt montagne: we're trying to get some of our teachers to use Mahara as an ePortfolio for their own professional experiences over the course of the year...eg-share conferences they attended, committees they are on, innovative lessons, etc --------------------- Carlos Santos to PatParslow: HI! I've sent you a facebook msg some time ago. Could you please take a look at it? --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Having some difficulties to argue change against traditional teaching cause of short term observations in small grups. --------------------- Heinz: He, i hear Sigi speaking, great --------------------- sharonbetts: @matt - can I use your Mahara as an example? --------------------- PatParslow to Carlos Santos: Oops sorry - been meaning to reply - not good at using Facebook these days! --------------------- rene scheppler: @PatParslow I do try that too. I think ePortfolio is a good way for first steps --------------------- matt montagne: @sharonb...of course...I'd be flattered even!! --------------------- sharonbetts: @matt - this is exactly what I am going to do for our school next sept --------------------- Carlos Santos to PatParslow: no problem --------------------- tomekwalasek: Is Mahara moodle module or separate service? --------------------- matt montagne: @andreas...to deal with that challenge, read that NY Times article I just put in chat --------------------- Heinz: @sharonbetts: Do you join http://mahara.org --------------------- matt montagne: @tom... --------------------- PatParslow to Carlos Santos: Send me another message just in case - reminders are always good --------------------- Sasa Sirk: i tried with freedom... was kind of disappointed to see how many of them prefer the minimum effort (for passing grade) --------------------- matt montagne: @tom...mahara will b an integrated standard module in moodle 2.0 --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to sigrun: ich weiss nicht ob sie mich sehen! --------------------- Carlos Santos to PatParslow: ok! --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): I used to be an english teacher too --------------------- sharonbetts: @tomekwalasek separate service but will work with Moodle as single signon --------------------- Luka: let them CHOOSE subjects thei're interested in. Worked perfect for me this semester. --------------------- matt montagne: @tom...but if you have moodle 1.9 or so, you can link Mahara into it via single sign on --------------------- tomekwalasek: inside the guarded space? --------------------- PatParslow: @Sara I agree - I hope we arranged the marking so that they can't really go for the minimum too easily --------------------- sharonbetts: @Heinz - yes, I joined to check it out and be in the forums --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @sasa - i tried and was dissappointed too! But you can learn to see in long term a development. so you have to develop a long breath! --------------------- Heinz: @sharonbetts: http://mahara.org/user/view.php?id=11 here is my profile at mahara.org --------------------- rene scheppler: reflecting their own work is a big step for young students --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): @rene: its difficult --------------------- matt montagne: Mahara is very young and immature, but it is progressing nicely and even now has very nice features --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): many do not know how to reflect --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @rene but soooo important! Has to be developed carefully. --------------------- Steven Warburton to GrahamAttwell: good turn-out --------------------- PatParslow: apologies to all - I have to go - can you let me know where this will be posted after the event so I can catch up? --------------------- sharonbetts: @Heinz -thank you for the link --------------------- Heinz: @ matt you can integrate twitterfeeds --------------------- sigrun to Sigrid Engelmann-Santos: habe eben mit ihnen telefoniert! --------------------- rene scheppler: @andreas: we have to develop it. And now we do have the tools to organize it quit smooth beside the lessons --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa) to Steven Warburton: that's the powerful of collaboration --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa) to Steven Warburton: how are u --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): @Andreas: How to implement an ePortfolio carefully? --------------------- Sasa Sirk: @andreas i agree - it's not that i gave up, just need to figure out a recipe which doesn't leave me breathless half way through... --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @rene! Tools and Their use is a very different ubject! --------------------- tomekwalasek: the language has changed! --------------------- sharonbetts: Nice graphic to explain the difference --------------------- PatParslow to Cristina Costa: Can you twitter at me about where this will be shared after please? small domestic crisis I need to attend to! --------------------- matt montagne: @heinz...mahara has an RSS Block, which pulls in feeds, so I'm guessing it could pull in Twitter Streams as well... --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: tom: teacher determines versus student creates. --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): @Pat - we will twitter you d --------------------- sharonbetts: Mahara will pull in twitter and blogs - I have tried it --------------------- lindacq: (my next step is german... destroy german as english ) --------------------- rene scheppler: I doi use a different plugin for eportfolios in moodle: http://www.blog.initiatived21.de/?p=1672 --------------------- Heinz: @matt http://mahara.org/user/view.php?id=11shows the integration --------------------- gast09 to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: where do we get the presentation to download? slideshare perhaps? would be nice. --------------------- matt montagne: one downside of Mahara right now...the user profile URLs are extremely ugly and tied into PHP...I would like to see cleaner URLs --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: lindacq? What against german? Be tolerant! --------------------- Heinz: @Rene if you know Mahara you will know it's the best tool in place --------------------- Steven Warburton to Cristina Costa: hi cris, all well --------------------- Carlos Santos: not able to read Deutcsh --------------------- matt montagne: @heniz...nice! --------------------- sharonbetts: I like collecting first as it seems to help them organize --------------------- Luis Pedro: Can't understand the text in slides --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: or translate it live! --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell) to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: we will get as many versions out afterwards as we can via variety of media --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Clearify the aim! --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Prepare media --------------------- rene scheppler: heinz: well, no points against mahara from my side --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: establish blogs --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: collect artefacts --------------------- Sasa Sirk: i'm happy to see i still remember fragments of my German --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: make views --------------------- sharonbetts: Sigi is telling what they say --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: give view free --------------------- Luis Pedro: tks Andreas! --------------------- rene scheppler: the problem with mahara: it is served outside --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: collect feedback --------------------- buthaina: would be great to see an English version of the list.. --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: slide gone! --------------------- Heinz: @matt i hope you know who translates the german langpack? :-D --------------------- Luis Pedro: --------------------- sharonbetts: @rene - we are going to host our own --------------------- matt montagne: Moodle 2.0 is going to include a standard blogging module that allows commenting as well, which will b nice... --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): sasa - we have a german grou in Digifolios now - am exercising my rusty knwoledge --------------------- tomekwalasek: hihihihi --------------------- Sue Wolff: issues of security and control --------------------- sharonbetts: @Cristina @Sasa - must join the Digifolios German group --------------------- rene scheppler: @matt FINALLY: comments in moodle blogs --------------------- Heinz: @matt do you know if it's implemented in the current alpha of moo 2.0? --------------------- Sasa Sirk: cool, Cris --------------------- matt montagne: @Heniz--awesome!!! It is important that we contribute back in ways like this...I need to do begin helping out on open source projects... --------------------- Mark vH: We will have a PLE ready for use in May, open source and also hosted by us for a while... --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @Mar! --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: @matt that's precisely why I think LMS are so out of touch with reality: comments should have been one of the top priorities from the very start! --------------------- matt montagne: @heinz...not certain about blogs/comments in moodle 2 alpha... --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to sigrun: ich habe gesehen was sie geschrieben haben --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @Mark Great! but why the next PLE? --------------------- lindacq: @AndreasAuwaerter come on! nothing at all!! against my ignorance I would love to speak german... it is not a porblem! and YES I want my next step in laguages would be this --------------------- tomekwalasek: Is blog a e-portfolio tool? --------------------- Heinz: Sigi great speaking --------------------- matt montagne: at some point we're going to install moodle 2 alpha on our playground server --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa) to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: Thomas and Marcel - sorry about that --------------------- eportfolios: a blog provides the building blocks for a presentation portfolio --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa) to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: the floor is your now - will shut up! --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: SIGI can you end app sharing? --------------------- tomekwalasek: explain further, please --------------------- sharonbetts: Blogs can be good reflection tools --------------------- Sasa Sirk: how many students? --------------------- Heinz: moodle 2.0 has the possibility to export files directly to mahara with a museclick --------------------- John Pallister: blogg - to encourage reflection --------------------- sharonbetts: @Heinz - that would be nice --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt) to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: No problem, Cristina --------------------- Mark vH: ahh, deal with comments see above --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to sigrun: Sigi, great job! --------------------- Heinz: @sharonbetts Penny has finished the coding, you can test in moodle2.0 alpha --------------------- sharonbetts: @Heinz - I will try to get a new sandbox setup this Spring --------------------- Mark vH: no its got some interesting features, social networking (like most systems these days) and learning spaces that are multi-user and multi-media things. --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Greeting to DŸsseldorf! --------------------- Liz: this is a different target group, Luka --------------------- Mark vH: very re-purposeable --------------------- eportfolios: reflection in a blog is immediate; reflection in a presentation portfolio is more retrospective --------------------- sigrun to Sigrid Engelmann-Santos: als ich gerade auf einen link klickte, dnn ein teilnehmer im chat vorgab, wurde mir angezeigt, dass ich gebabbt bin und meine IP auf der Schwarzen Liste steht! --------------------- lindacq to AndreasAuwaerter: sorry Andreas, have you read my answer? --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @Markv.H will have a glance on it! --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: @eportfolios completely agree. Great insight --------------------- Luka: Alright! --------------------- tomekwalasek: So you collect the pieces in blog and then combine them into e-port. --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @lindacq - Jes! Nice you would like to learn english! --------------------- Mark vH: please do, whats your email? or email me as markvanharmelen@gmail.com please --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to sigrun: das ist aber eigenartig!!! --------------------- rene scheppler: that's it: collaborating is work too! --------------------- Frances Bell: @tomek or can link from report to blog posts (evidence) --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @lindacq sorry mean german! --------------------- matt montagne: our history teacher used to have an end of the semester exam, but 2 years ago switched to a comprehensive project...most students did not like the project and wanted the exam... --------------------- Liz: eine berufsschule --------------------- sharonbetts: @tomelekwalasek - we collect items in wikis or other locations and blog on our reflections as the portfolio develops - feeding the blogging links to the wiki etc --------------------- John Pallister: blog could form the commentary and reflection on the learning --------------------- sigrun to Sigrid Engelmann-Santos: Ja, finde ich auch. --------------------- Luka: ok, thank you! --------------------- lindacq: @AndreasAuwaerter hehehehe english as well... LOL --------------------- eportfolios: create hyperlinks from presentation portfolio into specific blog entries (with artifacts attached) --------------------- matt montagne: the reason why some students prefer a traditional exam, I think, to a project is that on an exam they can "mail it in" and skate by without putting in much effort --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter to lindacq: Difficult thinking english and typing the term german1 --------------------- matt montagne: ...but on a project, they HAVE to engage --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to sigrun: ich mach mal eine Kopie vom Chat-Protokoll --------------------- rene scheppler: I would like to see exemples --------------------- Sasa Sirk: @matt exactly - Ss are quick to figure out what is the simplest way... --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to sigrun: Sie werden wieder angezeigt --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Graham Go - Graham go! --------------------- sharonbetts: thank you Sigi - the presentation is going to be posted - --------------------- Maria: Danke, Sigi! --------------------- tomekwalasek: Thanks Sharon- this way or another. --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Thanx Sigi! You made very good points! --------------------- Luka: Thank you, Sigi! --------------------- sigrun to Sigrid Engelmann-Santos: noch komischer, hab gerade ja niht gemacht .... --------------------- Steven Verjans: Sigi, can you end the application sharing? --------------------- Liz: Thank you! --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: How to spent apploause! --------------------- sharonbetts: Hallo Graham --------------------- Sasa Sirk: simpler (easier) is better than meaningful (requires more effort) --------------------- matt montagne: nice job, sigi!! Great presentation! --------------------- Tamim: Applause --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): Thank you very much Sigi!! --------------------- matt montagne: w00t for sigi! --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt) to Sigi: Wirst du die Folien auf slideshare stellen? --------------------- Luis Pedro: Very nice Sigi --------------------- Luka: App sharing won't close --------------------- Luis Pedro: yhanks --------------------- Steven Verjans: thx --------------------- Luka: Ah --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Ahhh! --------------------- Luis Pedro: *thanks --------------------- Julian Prior: thx --------------------- Heinz: *Thanks --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Ahh a wordle in the start! --------------------- rene scheppler: wordle again --------------------- sharonbetts: Love Wordle - one of my favorite apps --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: hah wordle --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): wordles!! --------------------- Luka: another wordle --------------------- Steven Verjans: slowing down --------------------- ana garcia: very interesting sigi,thanks --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to Sigi: great job!!!! --------------------- Luka: Graham you're a bit off screen --------------------- Mark van Harmelen to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: its bandwidth limited graham, at least here --------------------- Steven Verjans: There are no more experts, Graham, didn't you know? --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa) to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: Graham you are coming with abby voice --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa) to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: disconnect camera pls --------------------- sharonbetts: We always learn all the time - isn't tech great --------------------- matt montagne: hey Graham! Thanks for Earthcast shoutout!!! --------------------- Frances Bell: Lay off the helium Grahame --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa) to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: much better --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): better --------------------- elmo: hi Graham --------------------- Luka: sound's perfect --------------------- sharonbetts: thanks for BAW and Digifolios and Webcast Academy notices --------------------- buthaina: yes --------------------- Steven Verjans: better --------------------- Steven Warburton to Cristina Costa: good --------------------- rene scheppler: sound is great --------------------- matt montagne: connection very good here --------------------- Frances Bell: OK - understandbale but high --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Great Graham! --------------------- sharonbetts: better - nice now --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): perfect! --------------------- Dirk Stieglitz: hihi graham on helium --------------------- Dirk Stieglitz: --------------------- Luis Pedro: sound is good --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: no lag now --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): no baby voice anymore --------------------- buthaina: I don't like video in this setting, kinda of distracting --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt) to Dirk Stieglitz: Sehr lustig --------------------- Sasa Sirk: @matt - that's where I remember you from earthcas - wonderful project! --------------------- sharonbetts: is that wordle posted - anyone have the link? --------------------- Heinz: @Sigi: great speaking, good job --------------------- Mark vH: yup cest moi --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @sasa - jeah and earthcast09 is still starting! Come on your students will be excited. --------------------- rene scheppler: thanks to sigi: some nice ideas for my examensarbeit --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa) to Dirk Stieglitz: wie die stimme eines Kindes --------------------- Steven Verjans: PLE as a concept? --------------------- matt montagne: @Sasa...thank you! We had so much fun last year that the Earthbridges/Earthcast community is going to do it again --------------------- Sasa Sirk: studentless at the moment --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): hi Buth --------------------- Heinz: @Rene: in what area are you writing your exam? --------------------- Mark van Harmelen to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: as concept is not that great.... there are multiple levels one could use --------------------- Paul Bailey: so beware if someone tries to sell you one --------------------- Sasa Sirk: great to hear - looking forward to earthcast 09 --------------------- rene scheppler: @heinz about moodle in class to "reactivate" passive students --------------------- matt montagne: wow, good stuff there --------------------- Heinz: @Rene reactivate? in german would be easier to understand for me --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): very cool!! --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): chaotic too - but cool all the same --------------------- rene scheppler: that is a cool tool in elluminate --------------------- Mirjam: who said that? --------------------- Frances Bell: How will he get the text out to the Wordle ? or are you doing that Cris? --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @Mirjam egal! --------------------- lindacq: @Mirjam which one? --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): nope - gave up after the 1st minute --------------------- Irmeli Aro: PLE= sharing feelings, (i can't access the wboard?!) --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): ppl type too fast Frances --------------------- Sue Wolff: The PLE as a process of learning, nice --------------------- Mirjam: n icht egal fuer mich, sonst wuerde ich nicht fragen --------------------- matt montagne: It is complicated right now, from an intructor's standpoint, as he/she has to balance the needs of the institution (eg-give grades, measure learning) and new learning environments...it is HARD --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @Mirjam Sorry aber es zŠhlt doch das Gesagte! Im Zweifel wir alle! --------------------- sharonbetts: @Mirjam - was is nicht egal --------------------- John Pallister: we are learning in a PLE here and now --------------------- Mirjam: not to worry i'll catch up with Graham afterwards --------------------- sharonbetts: lost Graham --------------------- Frances Bell: But when space is shared (to create knwledge) perhaps LE becomes less P --------------------- lindacq: o o --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): he is having net problems --------------------- rene scheppler: is there a timetable for this session? just to get an impression about duration --------------------- Ricardo Torres: Agree with John --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Ohh Graham stucks a bit! --------------------- Steven Verjans: Social learning applies mostly to semi-adult learners, no? --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): just bear with us - sound is a bit choppy ...but we will get there --------------------- Luka: A PLE is your room at home e.g. --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): @Rene: etwa bis 20.30 --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: I like the part where we need to "negotiate what qualifies as knowledge" --------------------- sharonbetts: @Steven - social learning applies to all learners --------------------- rene scheppler: danke! --------------------- matt montagne: Internetworks does allow learning to be highly social...this is in direct conflict to the 20th century, where learning was very much an isolated activity --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): no - just carry on --------------------- John Pallister: learning is always personal (even when done in social situation) so yes, miss off the P --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): hear hear john --------------------- sharonbetts: I forgot about this graph in twitter - need to go back and find it --------------------- Ricardo Torres: yep, persons are still persons, even if they are in a group --------------------- sharonbetts: we can all learn from the teachers of the very young --------------------- Luka: where is the graph from? --------------------- Mark vH: @john personal is useful to indicate a different approach to edcuation, albit more of a group approach --------------------- Frances Bell: @Luka - yessss! not just online --------------------- Luka: thank you --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: I think the P is there more as individual-targeted learning instead of a one-size fits all approach --------------------- Mark vH: sorry about the rapid typing spelling! --------------------- matt montagne: We can learn alot from kindergarten and primary school teachers and classrooms... --------------------- Sue Wolff: does somebody have a llink to a bigger image of his graph there? --------------------- rene scheppler: @matt there is great stuff happening in primary schools! --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): we will make slides available later --------------------- sharonbetts: two good words - scaffolding works with learners --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Is Manipulatng not the same as transferring but expressed on a different level? --------------------- rene scheppler: twitter is quit... everyone in here --------------------- Luka: @andreas: why do you think so? --------------------- John Pallister: analogy: learners working in a learning envionment! what we all aspire to --------------------- sharonbetts: I think manipulating is more "mashing" and transferring more collaborating --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): love this pic --------------------- Heinz: @Rene my twitter h1moodle --------------------- lindacq: @rene... quit?? what you mean... I'm there as well --------------------- Frances Bell: Won't the storing be in the shared bit not the PLE bit? --------------------- Mark vH: ple as an aid in constructing/creating/negotiating the meaning of knowledge --------------------- John Pallister: the challenge: to get the learners to 'work' in this environment --------------------- Ricardo Torres: aren't learners already working in such environments? --------------------- Mark vH: students need metacognitive skills --------------------- rene scheppler: @heinz - ah, know I got the connection --------------------- Mark vH: metacognition well discussed at a first level in wikipedia --------------------- Steven Verjans: Relfection is not stand-alone. Always happens differently at different times /different situations --------------------- Frances Bell: @Markvh so do teachers --------------------- Ricardo Torres: or at least in less structured versions of these environments... --------------------- lindacq: @ricardo, they are already working on it, unconciously, but they are --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): there I got some nice examples...later --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Sharing skill need to be extended!!! --------------------- matt montagne: wonderful visuals, Graham... --------------------- John Pallister: Reflection is a very complex thing that does involve high level processes --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: I think PLEs have always existed, it's just that we haven't been aware of them until now --------------------- sharonbetts: very nice slides - really shows how it is a new paradigm to teaching and learning --------------------- Mark vH: @bruno yes --------------------- Steven Verjans: Sound was OK, helium kicks in when there is bandwidth issue --------------------- Ricardo Torres: Agree @Bruno --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): hi John, you here too!!!! --------------------- John Pallister: Well done @sigi --------------------- matt montagne: @bruno...and the barriers to getting into a PLE have gotten easier to get over --------------------- buthaina: for me PLE= the Web --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Jhn! But if you start going the progress it is worth it! --------------------- Ton Zijlstra: hi all, sorry I'm late --------------------- Jane Challinor: sound was perfect until last 10 secs!! --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): John as always... too long.. --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): thank your very much, Graham!! --------------------- Mark vH: @bruno but there are also new manifestations of ples now --------------------- Steven Verjans: Hi Ton --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: sure @matt, the Web 2.0 revolution had a big part in that --------------------- rene scheppler: two fantastic presentations --------------------- Luka: Thanx Graham --------------------- Test to Steven Verjans: Hoi Steven, blijkbaar ben ik juist te laat?! Groeten, Ruben Jans --------------------- Ton Zijlstra: hi Steven, goedenavond --------------------- Heinz: @Graham: Thanks --------------------- Mark vH: was great graham --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): what about the dangers of manipulating?? --------------------- Steven Verjans: very many thoughts in 10 minurtes. Need to reflect --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: yes @Mark now I think PLEs are more "tactile" than before --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): buth --------------------- Sasa Sirk: thanks sigi and graham --------------------- Julian Prior: thanks Graham, very enjoyable --------------------- Ricardo Torres: do you think Web 2.0 based PLEs could be an answer? --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: we can define them better --------------------- sharonbetts: Great jog - I will look for the link to the recording in digifolios - right Cristina? --------------------- Fernando S: a question Graham: what is your diference between PLN and PLN? --------------------- lindacq: @bruno I agree --------------------- matt montagne: audio wonky now --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): copyright etc. --------------------- rene scheppler: i am really looking towards the recording --------------------- Frances Bell: Which PLEs are tactile? --------------------- buthaina: yes pls --------------------- Ricardo Torres: echo --------------------- Mark vH: tactile? yes,a dn we want to make them v v engaging --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): buth --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: @Frances maybe tactile wasn't the best word, I meant we can identify some of the components better --------------------- lindacq: more than tactile, visible, concient, evident... --------------------- Frances Bell: examples of tactile please --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): do you wnat to ask your question --------------------- buthaina: Cris, yes, please --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): we will call you later --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: i.e. Facebook, social networks in general --------------------- Mark vH: I can grab something and manipulate it, think of it as an analogy rather than a haptioc feedback device --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): the most important part I'd say --------------------- Heinz: @Sigrid Engelmann-Santos: Hallo --------------------- Mark vH: haptic --------------------- Steven Warburton: Personal Actor Network --------------------- Steven Verjans: Next to instructor, library, etc.? --------------------- Fernando S: thanks --------------------- Frances Bell: @Bruno - do you know concept of social translucence e.g. Who's online in Moodle, Participant list in this space --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Thanx Graham! --------------------- Ton Zijlstra: it's the same when people talk about 'community' and not refer to an actual group of people --------------------- rene scheppler: what about "haptische" learners in PLEs? My experiences were, that we are running risk to concentrate too much on writing an reading --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa) to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: Thomas - buthaina is rasing her hand --------------------- Sasa Sirk: need to go now - it was great to see so many familiar names here (webheads, cck08, earthcast...) Thank you Sigi and Graham and all --------------------- John Pallister: while we have so many folks here what about trying to untangle the Reflection bit --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to Heinz: hi Heinz, great presentations! --------------------- George Roberts: Wow, great crowd! --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: yes @Frances how do you think that affects the participants? --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): thanks sasa --------------------- Martin: hi to all -little bit late, but here - nice greats from graz --------------------- matt montagne: good to connect Sasa --------------------- Mark vH: reflection as a way of me thinking and learning about how I learn? --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @SIGi Step by Step! --------------------- Ricardo Torres: how can we try new approaches to PLEs without testing them with the users/students? --------------------- Frances Bell: @JohnP one dimension of reflection is self/group --------------------- Sasa Sirk: good question... --------------------- Ton Zijlstra: @martin Graz? FH Joanneum? --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: and not in one day - like the build up of Rome --------------------- Mark vH: @ricardo - we cant --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: yeah @ricardo I don't think it's possible --------------------- Heinz: @Sigrdi Engelmann-Santos: Ja Herzliche GrŸ§e von Gabi --------------------- lindacq: @ricardo testing the PERSONAL learning? a bit tricky! --------------------- Frances Bell: In Moodle, there seems to be a direct link between Who's online and private messaging --------------------- Ricardo Torres: @Mark vH that's my point, we can't just theorize about this, we just have to go and try it, IMO --------------------- Frances Bell: @Bruno last message was to you --------------------- Jane Challinor: @ricardo - test it ourselves first of course... but yes try wiht students is a must --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to Heinz: fantastic evening. A quite new experience for me. up to now I only participated at some workshops by Interwise IQSH. --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: @Frances you mean people send more messages to others who are online? --------------------- Mark vH: tools: wikis blogs twitter integrated PLEs etc --------------------- John Pallister: skill of the craftsman is to select and use the correct tool for the job --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to Heinz: This is quite different --------------------- Frances Bell: @Bruno - forgetting my social translucence --------------------- Ricardo Torres: @ lindacq not testing the personal as such, but try to provide some structure so people can build or even recognise their PLEs --------------------- Heinz: ja gefŠllt mir auch sehr gut, hšren und verstehen ist keine problem, sprechen kšnnte ich nicht so flŸssig --------------------- Fernando S: thanks.. and go out... --------------------- George Roberts: Yes, many tools, but three directions of challenge: inexperienced "users", inexperienced "assessors", naive policy makers --------------------- Jordi Adell to lindacq: hi Linda! --------------------- Fernando S: Bye.. i can go out for work --------------------- lindacq: @ricardo do that, BUT (as almost everything in education) we can not get a modell for every PLE, we can only explore and try to work on it --------------------- Luka: That's right, Sigi: Tools are second --------------------- lindacq to Jordi Adell: Hi Jordi! --------------------- Frances Bell: @Bruno - yes that's what I have observed - clicks through to profile, then maybe private message --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): we have buth and then carolyn - they want to speak --------------------- John Pallister: need to nurture learning craftsmen/w --------------------- Ricardo Torres: @lindacq of course, you're right on that, see how many diff approaches there are! --------------------- Mark vH: can we use the tools to help people learn how to lear? --------------------- buthaina: thanks, that answered my question as well. and thanks to Sigi for the question --------------------- rene scheppler: @sigi: you fabously speek to the point. impressive --------------------- Ricardo Torres: @ Mark vH ggod one! --------------------- Jorgen Carstensen: teaching is still hard work involving with students --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: @Frances I think that comes from people treating private messaging more as a chat tool than an e-mail one --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Greaz to have the q and a element! --------------------- John Pallister: we are talking here about the tools that will help people to learn --------------------- Ton Zijlstra: tools and behaviour form a co-evolution. Tools show you nw possibilities, then you rethink your behaviour, and in turn influence the tools. People come first yes, but tools jolt our inspiration --------------------- George Roberts: Start with where they are --------------------- Sarah Stewart: good one caro! --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: @Frances which translates to "If I make myself socially available, I interact more" --------------------- Steven Verjans: Don't even mention tehe names / tools --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @John and i am thinking about the students who could be able to adopt thos ideas! --------------------- George Roberts: and add criticalality --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to Heinz: ich denke, das ist alles Gewohnheit. wenn man das ein paar mal gemacht hat funktioniert das vielleicht. Ich hab's aber auch noch nie probiert. ) --------------------- Frances Bell: Maybe best PLE is almost invisible/ submerged to learner --------------------- John Pallister: man contantly develops new tools to solve problems that arise --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Hi George! --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): years ago -- ages I started with letting my studnts do PPTs instead of oral exams- this was revolutionary then.. --------------------- George Roberts: @Steven Verjan yes! don't mention the names, do the practice --------------------- lindacq: yes, it's almost invisible, could be a nice idea try to get visible it... --------------------- Ton Zijlstra: @John and then we turn around and invent novel uses for them --------------------- lindacq: is a metacognitive objective --------------------- Ricardo Torres: @Frances that would be perfect, I think e-learning will stop being called that, it will be just learning --------------------- Frances Bell: What is the German word for tools ready to hand? I s it verstehen? --------------------- Steven Warburton: @Frances - but then how do we know it is there? --------------------- George Roberts: @AndreasAuwaerter hi! --------------------- Steven Verjans: Use the tools that students already use, and try and gently introduce new ways of working with them --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: @Steven do we need to know it's there, or do we just need to use it? --------------------- Ton Zijlstra: @france werkzeug = tool --------------------- lindacq: creative use of it... --------------------- Heinz: stimmt, und ist bestimtm auch eine Sache des Selbstvertrauens. einfach in der ungewohnten Sprache zu brabbeln --------------------- lindacq: I like it very much! --------------------- Steven Verjans: Yes you can learn with MSN! (for instance) --------------------- John Pallister: need to prvent learners from becomming obsessed with the tools --------------------- Frances Bell: @Steven W - because the it is different for everyone though there may be common elements --------------------- Jane Challinor: ands teachers --------------------- George Roberts: @Steven Verjan yes! --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: I am thinking about scenarios who won't be able without those tools! It would make it easier to start with! --------------------- Ricardo Torres: @John agree with you, focus on the objective/learning, not on the tools --------------------- John Pallister: everything becomes a hammer --------------------- buthaina: can we say that product=eportfolio & process=ple ? --------------------- George Roberts: @John Pallister yes, but tools can be OK --------------------- Lore Ress: i made up a model for a personal leanring and working environment clled PAUL = Persšnliche Arbeits- und lern-Umgebung. It consists of 5 levels and a collaboration room. The model shows the different tasks and workflows. --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Buthania raised the hand! --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to Heinz: Man darf nur nicht daran denken wie schlecht wir sprechen. keine Angst haben Fehler zu machen! --------------------- Holly Longstroth: but teachers/students shouldn't fear the tools...although learning is the most important... --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): administration needs to be in control!!!! yes, garaham!!! --------------------- Ricardo Torres: @buthaina great! that's how I would put it! --------------------- Steven Verjans: Schools are formal institutions, that need to cohere to formal quality criteria --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Buthania raised the hand! --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Buthania raised the hand! --------------------- Mark vH: its easy to sit tehre and teach in the conventional way, using certain kinds of tool can make students drive and support their own learning - vie seen this in my classes --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Buthania raised the hand! --------------------- John Pallister: tools are essential --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): we know andreas - but she is not answering --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: K --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): we cant hear her --------------------- matt montagne: one reason why I like a platform like moodle is that it supports the demands of an institution (eg grades, measureing learning) and new ways to learn (asynchronous learning, personal learning, social learning) --------------------- Julian Prior: excellent point Graham --------------------- John Pallister: inventing tools: what we humans need/want to do --------------------- dreig: Godbye all. Very good presentation. I«ll wait for the recording! --------------------- Jorgen Carstensen: it's not just about tools. It's a lot about personal skills: daring to participate, courage, autonomy --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): by dreig --------------------- buthaina: sorry forgot my hand raised --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): thanks for joining --------------------- rene scheppler: someone in here running moodle 2.0 alpha? --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: will we get a recording of this presentation? --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): no problem Buth --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): yes --------------------- Ricardo Torres: do u think control should be on the hands of the institution, not the learner's???? --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): do you want to speak? --------------------- George Roberts: ... and this recording can be part of my eportfolio --------------------- Carlos Santos: maybe it's possible to build a free and open PLE for institutions... --------------------- Steven Verjans: @Graham: definitely --------------------- George Roberts: No need to build a PLE? --------------------- John Pallister: tools can be toys, unless they have sharp edges --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: I think institutional control is one of the biggest put-offs to learners --------------------- Steven Verjans: Yes, opening VLE's up. More externally oriented --------------------- Luis Pedro: @carlos: I would say it is VERY possible --------------------- diogocasanova: I'm a bit lost --------------------- George Roberts: @John Pallister I like toys with sharp edges --------------------- Paul Bailey: @Graham - the learner controls the boundaries --------------------- Frances Bell: @Steven W @Ton Verstehen Heidegger - look at this for ready to hand http://tinyurl.com/7u486h --------------------- Ricardo Torres: break down the walls! --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @John there you are right! --------------------- diogocasanova: I«m a bit lost --------------------- Mark vH: @ carlos it may go against the idea of students taking responsibility for their own learning --------------------- John Pallister: @George me too! --------------------- Frances Bell: Bye - off for supper now. --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: @Mark why is that? --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): bon appetit Frances --------------------- Heinz: @Rene yes i installed moodle 2.0 alpha to trst SSO and expotz to mahara --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): butyou have to host it!!!! --------------------- George Roberts: @Frances Bell argh B**** Heidegger --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): and the admins have to agree!!! --------------------- Mark vH to Frances Bell: @frances "equiprimordial" --------------------- lindacq to jsalinasi: Jesusito, me voy a tener que ir... por favor, haz un resumen en el twitter de lo que queda un besico --------------------- Heinz: @Rene when nyou are interested i will give you my email adr --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Or beeing conviced! --------------------- jsalinasi to lindacq: creo que queda poco --------------------- Carlos Santos: @Mark... I don't think so. It's a space available from university but controlled by student --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa) to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: Thomas - does Educamp site have a discussion forum? --------------------- John Pallister: what about storing this learner content on Google, etc - risky? --------------------- Mark vH: @carlos...ok --------------------- rene scheppler: @heinz I am!. We should link via twitter --------------------- mrsdurff: exactly! --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa) to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: hi mrs durff --------------------- elmo to Cristina Costa: Hi Cristina --------------------- Heinz: @rene ok h1moodle --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): hi elmo and Mrs durff --------------------- rene scheppler: @heimz "scheppler" --------------------- matt montagne: We run our moodle and mahara on a 5 year old Dell server with apache, CENT linux, PHP...all of this is free --------------------- mrsdurff: --------------------- lindacq to Cristina Costa: I have to left you... It has been really nice and interesting!! thanks --------------------- Carlos Santos: @Mark we're exploring that with SAPO Campus (portuguese only) --------------------- Mark vH: we are breaking down the walls between intitutional and non institutional systems (@previous speaker) --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): thank u for joining us Linda --------------------- Ricardo Torres: so maybe we should ask ourselves whether the P is for personal management, control or style of the enviornment! --------------------- John Pallister: why has only one person responed to my survey http://www.squidoo.com/eportfolio --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt) to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: yes, but it is in german http://educamp.mixxt.de/networks/forum/index --------------------- matt montagne: if IT people give you problems, then outsource it to a moodle shop...yes it will cost money, but it allows you to keep moving forward --------------------- lindacq: Sadly I have to go... It has been really interesting Thanks Graham!!! --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Thanx graham for your inspiration as so often! --------------------- lindacq: thanks evrybody for the chat as well!!! --------------------- George Roberts: Where? --------------------- rene scheppler: where is the link? --------------------- lindacq: hope to talk soon!! --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): Cheers Linda --------------------- matt montagne: @john...it will do that now --------------------- Sarah Stewart: have to go. thank you all very much. bye --------------------- rene scheppler: no link for me!!! --------------------- George Roberts: @John Pallister was that me? --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): http://eportfolio.mosep.org/view/view.php?id=531 --------------------- buthaina: thanks.. --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Thanx! --------------------- Jane Challinor: thank you --------------------- John Pallister: @George star student! --------------------- Luis Pedro to Cristina Costa: Ol‡ Cristina --------------------- Luis Pedro to Cristina Costa: Desculpa esta abordagem paralela --------------------- Heinz: @rene http://mahara.org/user/view.php?id=11 --------------------- Mark vH to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: can we have a new page --------------------- Mark vH to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: please --------------------- matt montagne: @john...I guess I can't take that survey...I'm outside of the UK --------------------- tomekwalasek: @heinz how can I add you to my twitter? --------------------- Steven Verjans: Logging off now. Thx to all of you. --------------------- John Pallister: perhaps mulitple surveys - get at the big issue? --------------------- Luis Pedro to Cristina Costa: O que Ž suposto enviarmos (eu e o Carlos, de Aveiro) para "oficializarmos" a nossa presena no Thought Fest 2009? --------------------- Irmeli Aro: Thanks all!!!! --------------------- rene scheppler: @heinz: thanks - i will take a look at that --------------------- matt montagne: nice presentation Graham --------------------- Heinz: @tomekwalasek: http://mahara.org/user/view.php?id=11 is my mahara profil site you will see a link to my twitter . In every tool you will see a user h1moodle --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): thanks matt --------------------- matt montagne: and kudos to Christina on an excellent job of moderating --------------------- John Pallister: Thanks all - enjoyed it - they just get better Graham - when will you know when you have got there? --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): thanks matt - dont go away yet --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): have stuff to annouce --------------------- George Roberts: Cheers all. Sorry to be late! --------------------- Carolyn McIntosh: Thanks for this everyone. It has been very interesting, food for thought. --------------------- ailwyn to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: I'm pretty new to this but really enjoyed this session...so much to take in...I hope the links etc will reach me drholmes@hotmail.co.uk. thank you so much!! --------------------- George Roberts: Look forward to the recording --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Matt say some words about earthcast! --------------------- sigrun to Sigi: Vielen Dank, liebe Sigi. Adler flieg1 --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Matt say some words about earthcast! --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): network_lady - sigi's twitter --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): --------------------- Carolyn McIntosh: Great presentations Sigi and Graham --------------------- matt montagne: @Andreas...if anyone is interested in participating in Earthcast, send us an email at earthbridges@gmail.com --------------------- rene scheppler: @heinz: impressive ePortfolio --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): Thank you Sigi and Graham!! --------------------- tomekwalasek: @heinz - done --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: http://earthbridges.net/ Will serve you a glance on the Aprils activities! --------------------- Mark vH to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: some new ple pics --------------------- Dirk Stieglitz: yes, thank you Sigi! --------------------- gast09 to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: @sigi: very impressive talk/presentation. great. --------------------- Mark vH: some new ple pics --------------------- diogocasanova: yes thanks to all --------------------- John Pallister: Good night all --------------------- buthaina: Thanks, Sigi; very informative and useful presentation --------------------- Jane Challinor: thanks and bye all! --------------------- Heinz: @rene *rot werd* thanks. I am always ope nto new ideas feel free to contact me --------------------- matt montagne: and read Andreas' excellent post on Earthcast09 that he wrote today titled, "Are You Fearless?" http://userpages.uni-koblenz.de/~dkauwaer/blogline/?p=630 --------------------- Carolyn McIntosh: bye --------------------- Ricardo Torres: Thanks to everyone, great session! --------------------- gast09 to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: @sigi, please upload your presentation at slideshare. this thing will get/bring more momentum. --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): I can upload the PPT to slideshare.. --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): will twitter the ink later --------------------- Heinz: @Sigi please --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter to matt montagne: Ohh that like team teaching! --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos: fantastic job, thanks for sharing your work with us --------------------- ana garcia: thanks,a very fruitful presentation --------------------- mrsdurff: what is the twitter acct to follow? --------------------- Mark vH: great, thanks ppl and organisers !!! --------------------- matt montagne: I'm amazed at the collaboration here...great job everyone! --------------------- rene scheppler: @Marcel @Thomas thanks for that great session --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: Thought Fest sounds great, I've just skimmed over the flyers --------------------- Heinz: @mat tplease give us your url or addy? --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): steven warburton! YEAH! --------------------- buthaina: great, thanks --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): STAY CONNECTED! --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): Thanks everybody!!! --------------------- Ton Zijlstra: thanks all --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): Thank you for coming --------------------- Luka: Thank you guys for the session! --------------------- Carlos Santos: thanks Cristina! --------------------- Luis Pedro to Cristina Costa: Thanks all --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): love your voice ! --------------------- Luis Pedro: Thanks all --------------------- Heinz: good job :-D --------------------- Bruno Abrantes: Thank you all --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): real collaboration! --------------------- Petra Grell: thanks for the interessting session --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): indeed! --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): yeah! Thanx graham --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): !!! --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: And Bildung im Dialog podcast will come with the whole group! Podcasting you! --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): lovely collaboration --------------------- Maria: Thanks from Portugal! --------------------- Paul Bailey: Maybe needs a news clip Graham --------------------- ailwyn to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: Thank you all, lots of ideas to consider! --------------------- Carlos Santos: bye! --------------------- Luis Pedro: goodbye! --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): haha I was so nervous!!! and then it was fun --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: --------------------- Luka: I just sent an email to thomas concerning educamp --------------------- mrsdurff: you said you twitter events - twitter name? --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): great Cristina! --------------------- buthaina: Thank you all --------------------- ana garcia: bye --------------------- Heinz: @Sigi big job, Lady :-D --------------------- Maria: Sigi, es war sehr interessant und gut. --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, Cristina Costa, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: mrsdurff is asking for the twitter name! --------------------- Natalia malkina: Thanks all --------------------- mrsdurff: doch --------------------- Moderator (Marcel Kirchner): goodbye @ all!! see you soon! --------------------- Lutz Berger: danke! --------------------- Paul Bailey: bye --------------------- diogocasanova: Good Bye --------------------- Mark vH: bye all --------------------- ailwyn: bye --------------------- Moderator (Cristina Costa): that's the motto - stay connected! --------------------- rene scheppler: danke und thŸ§ --------------------- Moderator (GrahamAttwell): bye all --------------------- Luka: bye! www.edaktik.de --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt) to Thomas Bernhardt, EVOLVE Community, Sigi, GrahamAttwell, Marcel Kirchner: --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @mrsdurff: main people are @thomasbernhardt --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: hashtag is #ec09 --------------------- matt montagne: bye all...nice to connect here!! --------------------- sigrun to Sigrid Engelmann-Santos: tschŸss frau santos --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): will publish the link: www.school-networking.de --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos: sehr gut vorbereitet, trifft genau den punkt. danke --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt): stay connected! cu all next time --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: @all Great event! Worth every minute! Thanx! --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to Sigi: war alles ganz klar strukturiert, trifft genau den punkt. bravo und danke! ein gro§es erlebnis. --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): next time in German guys!!!!! --------------------- sigrun: Das wŠre hilfreich! --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to sigrun: ich habe bestimmt 60 seiten skript der chats --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): it' so different if you do not see the audience and talk to your monitor --------------------- AndreasAuwaerter: Bye @all! Was a nice day! --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): will uplaod PPT --------------------- Sigrid Engelmann-Santos to sigrun: ich weiss nicht wie die leute das machen: zuhšren, denken und gleichzeitig chatten --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): and the guy eho wanted to sharemy desktop really made me nervous --------------------- Irmeli Aro: i tried to send thanks to Sigi through Twitter, but did not get through... so thank you once more --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): just uploading PPT to slideshare.. --------------------- tomekwalasek: bye, thanks --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt) to Thomas Bernhardt, Sigi: hat doch alles gut geklappt. Bist du zufrieden? --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): nein, nicht mit mir!!!!! --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): ich krieg diese online VortrŠge einfach nicht richtig rŸber --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): ich brauch direktes Feedback... --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): http://tinyurl.com/8x3ckt --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): se if it works.. --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt) to Thomas Bernhardt, Sigi: bist du noch da? --------------------- Evelyn Izquierdo: Hi everyone --------------------- Evelyn Izquierdo: excuse me for interrupting --------------------- Evelyn Izquierdo: is this the session about e-portfollios? --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt) to Thomas Bernhardt, Sigi: it was. pardon --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt): it was, pardon --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt): it started at 18 gmt --------------------- Evelyn Izquierdo: did it already finish? --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt): yes --------------------- Evelyn Izquierdo: ( --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt): sorry --------------------- Evelyn Izquierdo: in the wiki it is publish 19:00 --------------------- Evelyn Izquierdo: published* --------------------- Evelyn Izquierdo: I'm sorry --------------------- Evelyn Izquierdo: thanks for letting me know --------------------- Moderator (Thomas Bernhardt): next will be on february 16th --------------------- mosworld akbari: ich warte dann auf die slideShare Version --------------------- mosworld akbari: GrŸ§e --------------------- Evelyn Izquierdo: thanks, bye --------------------- Moderator (Sigi): das ist slideshare: http://tinyurl.com/8x3ckt --------------------- mosworld akbari: jep ist da